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Katsucon 16 post 
14th-Feb-2010 09:37 pm
Okami
Well, a basic report from Katsucon from those who were there. My sister was nice enough to pass out the literature that was shipped up there and got to talk with a lot of people. In conversations, she found that a lot of people there had serious reservations about the film in regards to race. There were some who saw the Super Bowl spot and thought it looked good, but the race thing was unavoidable.

From her, I know that she convinced at least three people to swear off the movie completely. They hadn't been following the race thing, but once they heard about the changes to the story all got a lovely shade of "WTF?" crossing their face. For two of them, the big turn off was the changes to the martial arts. He was mentioning about how cool the water bending looked with the tai chi moves and when he learned that it wasn't going to be tai chi, raised an eyebrow. He then listed off the other martial arts and when he learned that they were changed and that that M Night thought that martial arts weren't an important element of the story essentially gave the movie a "well screw that" rating.

M Night himself also seems to be turning a lot of people off.

So, good results. I think our best weapon is information and in the lead up to the movie, the studio will be giving us all the ammunition we need.
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15th-Feb-2010 02:45 am (UTC)
they were changed and that that M Night thought that martial arts weren't an important element of the story

Wait, what? I hadn't heard about this bit.

What are they doing instead of martial arts?
15th-Feb-2010 03:18 am (UTC)
Basically it's the scrapping of the large amount of research that went into the specific forms of Kung Fu that were used as the basis for the different bending styles. The fight choreographers have little experience with specific forms of martial arts - they're general fight choreographers - unlike the cartoon, where they actually had a consultant who was a Kung Fu expert.
15th-Feb-2010 03:19 am (UTC)
Right. M Night in an interview also said that the martial arts weren't a primary focus and he wanted to bring in more of the politics to the story.
15th-Feb-2010 03:12 am (UTC)
Cool, thanks! This is actually quite uplifting.
15th-Feb-2010 03:20 am (UTC)
I know. The amount of people who have started to go "ehhhh...perhaps not" since seeing the uber whiteness of Sokka and Katara and other changes has gone noticeably up since the full trailer was put up.
15th-Feb-2010 03:20 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's funny watching martial arts fans' faces when they find out that their beloved Kung Fu styles are being shoved to the side. Race Fail, not so much, but if you dare mess with their Kung Fu...
15th-Feb-2010 03:35 am (UTC)
Haha, I'm one of them (as a person that use to practice kung-fu, even though it was only 3-4 years). :P

15th-Feb-2010 07:05 am (UTC)
Lawl, it's kinda sad that that's what it takes to get people worked up over the film, but I guess I'll take whatever we can get.
15th-Feb-2010 08:11 am (UTC)
M. Night basically took a huge dump over Sifu Kisu's choreography in an interview back in the the late summer/fall. Sifu Kisu was NOT happy.
15th-Feb-2010 03:33 am (UTC)
Wow, I must have missed somewhere that they were really neglecting the martial arts aspects, too. :( Sometimes it seems like the main goal of this movie is purely to mess up as many cultural aspects of the show as possible. Jeez. :(

But it's awesome that people were getting the word out at Katsu! :D
15th-Feb-2010 04:24 am (UTC)
"...I must have missed somewhere that they were really neglecting the martial arts aspects..."

It's hard to see behind all the racefail.
15th-Feb-2010 06:57 am (UTC)
Anonymous
The martial arts is one of the most important things in the cartoon <.>. It gives each element orginality >:O!!!
15th-Feb-2010 07:12 am (UTC)
It's nice to know that so many people are turned off by M. Night. That appears to be one of our strongest points. However, I wish more people were outraged by the racebending rather than the fact that M. Night's directing and the lack of martial arts. Eh. Oh, well. As long as more people say they won't support the film...

Great work at Katsucon!
15th-Feb-2010 07:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, same here, but whatever it takes, I guess. :P
15th-Feb-2010 05:04 pm (UTC)
Where on earth was your sister? I was looking! I was dressed as the Painted Lady :D
15th-Feb-2010 05:46 pm (UTC)
In the artist alley. If you saw a table in the webcomics section for Wukong no Kaidan that was her
15th-Feb-2010 06:43 pm (UTC)
*trolls in*

I know I started talking to a Blue Spirit cosplayer about the character design changes--you know, how the Blue Spirit now looks like it fell out of the other Avatar movie. A few other Last Airbender fen were in the area when I went on about Zuko's reworked scar, and they all looked pretty evenly dismayed.

I was in the AAlley too. How'd it work out for you? And did I get a chance to talk to you/you guys about pros_n_cons?
15th-Feb-2010 08:00 pm (UTC)
With all the depressing things happening (like, people that STILL will see this movie, and think there is nothing wrong with White people in it), I just feel slightly happy to see that you guys did a great job in spreading the word. Even if it has to do more with the martial arts aspect.
16th-Feb-2010 12:06 am (UTC)
Any way we can man. If we can't get them on race, then I say we pull them in on the numerous other disservices that this film will do to the cartoon. Rope in the martial arts geeks by telling them that their love is out the window. Pull in the character fans by showing them how little their favorite character will be represented on the screen. I've seen more ladies of colour cosplaying Katara's then white dudes as Aang so pull them in on that.

Any way is good.
15th-Feb-2010 09:12 pm (UTC)
I've always said this at protesting.

If you have a really good target, you can do any little thing to them and the target will simply do all the work for your, providing ammo and making an ass of them self's.

Any photos? =D
15th-Feb-2010 09:52 pm (UTC)
M Night thought that martial arts weren't an important element of the story

WTF when did he say this? The asshat.

Also good work!
16th-Feb-2010 02:54 am (UTC)
Not in his defense but I do want to clarify the context in which he was asked this question.

It came up because people were questioning his ability to direct and film action since he has only made drama/thrillers at this point.

His point was that they aren't really doing contact martial arts and that since they are mainly using the four elements that it's the CGI were it really counts.

And not only was that a dickish response, but it shows. The fighting looks poor both in choreography and editing wise.
16th-Feb-2010 04:56 am (UTC)
Right. It totally belittles the fact that certain martial arts were chosen for specific reasons. If characters are just waving their arms around it's going to look all the same and generic. Give them a specific art to use in tandem with said elements and you get something that feels natural and distinct. There is no way that you can confuse the basic motions of Zuko's fire bending with Pakku's water bending or with Bumi's earth bending. The only time you see blending is when it occurs within the story, like Iroh using water bending-like moves to redirect lightning.

Like I mentioned before, the "bending" we're seeing in the trailer is a lot of "stomp and punch" which is pretty over used and doesn't give the sense that the bending disciplines are distinct.
17th-Feb-2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
Wait, there was also another interview where he said that he doesn't want to use the martial arts of the cartoon, because they where copied from Chinese movies or something like that. And because of that he wants to put together his own unique martial arts... stuff... kinda.
15th-Feb-2010 11:32 pm (UTC)
Did you get any Racebending-related pictures or other media recording from the event?
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